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{{skill icon|Aggressive Refrain}}

== Riotgear's Issue -- 12:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC) ==
[[User talk:Isaiah Cartwright/Paragon/Aggressive Refrain#|Discussion]]
; Issue
: A major problem with Paragons has been the fact that they're simultaneously an offensive and defensive powerhouse, and the overall damage level and attack speed of spears under Aggressive Refrain is a large part of the offensive side. The Cracked Armor addition helped, but they remain difficult to harass for a number of other reasons, i.e. non-time-sensitive skillset, high health, Cracked Armor fuelling Restore Condition, etc. At the same time, Aggressive Refrain has also marginalized any other IAS option. Why take a stance or Soldier's Fury, for example, when you get Aggressive Refrain permanently?
; Suggestion
: Change from +25% attack speed to +33% Adrenaline. The 4-adrenaline staples will charge in the same amount of time, their overall damage level will be reduced.

== Anon's Issue [[User:90.47.39.23|90.47.39.23]] 02:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC) ==
[[User talk:Isaiah Cartwright/Paragon/Aggressive Refrain#|Discussion]]
; Issue
: The cracked armour makes it unsuable in pve since IA-controlled allies with condition removal will burn their energy to remove it.
; Suggestion
: Make it cause a normal -20 armour penalty instead.

== Spura's Issue ==
[[User talk:Isaiah Cartwright/Paragon/Aggressive Refrain#|Discussion]]
; Issue
: Stapled on the skill bar
: Makes paragon autoattack DPS really really high, provking nerfs of support skills(which makes no sense)
: Remove Cracked Armor
; Suggestion
: Change to "attack skills cost 20% less energy and recharge 25% faster"
:: Change makes it worth using only for spear focused paragons with lots of attack skills
:: Current builds with a single energy attack skill will no longer benefit much from this
:: Overall DPS is reduced compared to 25% IAS.
:: Less adrenaline gain.
:: Reduced DPS makes way for stronger support skills.

== Anon's Issue [[Special:Contributions/90.58.190.14|90.58.190.14]] 21:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC) ==
[[User talk:Isaiah Cartwright/Paragon/Aggressive Refrain|Discussion]]
; Issue
: It still applies a crappy condition that burns AI monks' energy pools.
; Suggestion
: It shouldn't.
; Idea
: Remove the condition, make it give -24 armour while attacking and be done with it. It has been months since people that want to play a paragon in PvE have to go IAS-less (minus PvE-only skills and that elite that, well, consumes your elite). The only build that allows you to go IAS-less without sucking in the imbagon. Why do you force the imbagon on them?

== [[User:Lann|Lann's]] Issue -- 12 June, 2008 ==
; Issue
Gives you your own cover condition, not as useful in PvE
; Suggestions
* Make PvE/PvP versions of the skill, the PvE version reverting back to its old form with no cracked armor
* Make it so it gives you - '''however much''' armor, all the time ''or'' only while attacking (similar to "To the Pain" Inscription) while it is in effect.

==Astohan Issue, 6 September 2008==
;Issue
:Cracked Armor in PvE
:Too easy to maintain, brainless
;Suggestion
:Decrease the duration, increase recharge time
:Remove Cracked Armor
"For {{gr|5|20}} seconds, you attack {{gr|15|33}}% faster, but you have – {{gr|24|10}} armour while attacking. (15 {{energy}}, 2 {{activation}}, 25 {{recharge}})."

== The Problem with Paragons ==
; Issue
: See below
; Suggestion
{{moved|from|[[ArenaNet:Skill feedback/Paragon/The Problem with Paragons]]}}
:: {{skill icon|Aggressive Refrain}}. 25 {{energy}} 1 {{activation}} 20 {{recharge}}.
:: [[Echo (skill type)|Echo]]. For {{gr|5|25}} seconds, you [[attack]] 25% faster but have [[Cracked Armor]] for 20 seconds. <font color=#F05000>While attacking you have -'''12...9...8''' armour</font>. This Echo is reapplied every time a [[Chant]] or [[Shout]] ends on you.
: OK, in essence [[Cracked Armor|Cracked Armour]] alone was too poor a nerf since it has little effect or can be used to help you. This is better.
: [[ArenaNet talk:Skill feedback/Paragon/The Problem with Paragons#Agressive Refrain|TALK PAGE]]: After reflection, this suggestion has been withdrawn (or at least deemed to be of low priority) though IMO the [[Cracked Armor|Cracked Armour]] is still a bit clumsy.

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